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Jimmy Carr has a theory about why Star Wars is one of the greatest works of fiction ever. 😂 Watch the full episode on my YouTube channel.
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Except no. <br><br>Campbells "book" is an analysis of the phenomena he coined "Hero with a thousand faces" it does not underline the "heros journey" or add to it, it seeks to explain the archetypical nature of "the hero" - which is very present in Star Wars considering George Lucas lifted his ideas from Kurosawa and Leone, both of whom detail a "heros journey" <br><br>To call Campbell "underread" is crazy work. Buuuut I can get that Jimmy is one of the bros who thinks Finnegans Wake is some monolithic insight - and not one of the rest of us who kind of agree James Joyce wrote books to troll people like Jimmy :D <br><br>Pick up the short "The depressed person" by David F Wallace. It very much sums alot of this "Bros reading" culture up. I mean, not directly, but you're big boys, you can decipher things right? <br><br>Right ? :D
What a tedious wad
Here’s my hot take on Star Wars: <br><br>Canon died with Joseph Campbell.
And literally 0.00 people after this AI shift will EVER be able to read it independently. Enjoy slavery .
And hes wrong. Lord of the Rings
I don't know which one I hate more. Probably noah but Jimmy is catching up fast
Carr: Finnegan’s Wake gets my vote for greatest novel ever. <br><br>Noah: what makes it so great? <br><br>Carr: dunno, couldn’t get through it.<br><br>Noah: but you think it’s the greatest work of fiction ever?<br><br>Carr: no that’s Star Wars <br><br>Noah: the first one, you mean? Or the series <br><br>Carr: there’s more than one? <br><br>Noah: there’s nine I think. <br><br>Carr: oh nobody’s got time for all that. I didn’t even get through the one I watched<br><br>Noah: you think Star Wars is the greatest piece of fiction ever and you didn’t even finish the first movie? <br><br>Carr: it was a movie? <br><br>Noah: what else would it be?<br><br>Carr: Reels<br><br>Noah: like… on Facebook? <br><br>Carr: same place I saw The Wire, my vote for greatest work of art in history<br><br>Noah: okay I love the wire. Omar’s one of the great tv characters <br><br>Carr: which ones he now <br><br>Noah: Omar? He’s like the series most iconic character. <br><br>Carr: I guess I haven’t got that far yet <br><br>Noah: you haven’t…he gets introduced in the first season <br><br>Carr: ah see. Im still downloading the torrent <br><br>Noah: so you haven’t seen it at all but it’s the greatest work of art ever<br><br>Carr: from what I hear
No apostrophe means it's plural.
It's so quintessentially British to be so confidently incorrect.
Day 1 of positing "tHuNdErClAp" words are "real German" of English to retain.
Star wars really is mid at best
As is any hero's journey's story ever produced? What's the point?
what’s a thunderclap word😮
Finnegans Wake is nothing but pretentious bullshit. Almost every theory about it that people have come up with is disproven by the book itself because it's just fully insane garbled nonsense. The book makes literally as much sense as scraping of rubber from tires, mixing it with DMT, smoking it, and having the worst haluzinogenic nightmares ever. It's not "so smart, you don't understand it", it's "so dumb, you don't understand how it got published."
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I love how he just declares this is greatest story of all time lol love even more what Trevor asks, "Why is it the greatest?"
Point being we are all one and, as such, extremely limited on originality because the basics still inspire, suffice and are applicable to life? Just asking.
In other words, there's nothing new under the sun.
I think "Where’s Wally?" (Where’s Waldo? for Americans) is actually an incredibly complex and nuanced piece of literature. They can’t even agree on the guy's name across international borders. Layer upon layer. Breathtaking.
I’m hearing non-neurotypical indications from a loner. To be able to fabricate such a complex work, you must have extreme powers of concentration, far beyond a normal ranges. You also need to have a very active verbal cortex. Again, far beyond the norm. <br><br>This is coming from a similar person. Just lower on the scales of both.
I like Joseph Campbell. The thing with the Hero's Journey is that at the core it is describing an archetype of story which we have many of. The Song of the Nibelungs is an example. The works of art that got inspired by the Hero's Journey arre only using the blueprint that is described in the book. One cannot truly say that the Hero's Journey was turned into those works of art.
Tolkiens work is the greatest work of fiction in the 20th century and I will die on that hill.
Naaahhhh the best literature ever is Cervantes
"The Hidden Fortress " ?????
Two of the funniest guys on Planet Earth, and no punchline.<br>What is happening?
Our core subject in high school was English. Not Literature, English. Grammar, Argument, dessertation
Yeah but isn't the Hero's journey basically every piece of fiction out there, Harry Potter, Start Wars ,Lord of the Rings, or am I misunderstanding this
Why would anyone EVER consider the best book written to be one that can't be read? Astonishing.
Tell me you haven't read dune without telling me you haven't read dune...
Everything (not comedy) jimmy sais is so incredibly wise...he dumbs his genius down...for acceptance from the masses...
I had that with "the doors of perception" Aldous Huxley
Like you Trevor. But I cant forgive Jimmy for taking Saudi blood money.<br><br>Cool new book to look up tho
So, comedians are literati
Greatest book...havent read it 😂
He should read the Quran. It's perfect.
Star Wars is a space soap opera. George Lucas was quoted saying this in November 2015 during an interview with CBS.
U smart
personally, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy changed my life forever. Taught me how to not take the universe seriously and changed my personal philosophy completely.<br><br>Meanwhile starwars was just laser swords and pew pew.
Yeah, Joseph Cambell was genius. If open a pack of Tarot cards, the first card in the deck is the fool. The Fool card has a young looking up at the sky, chasing something. He isn't looking wear he is going, and there is cliff right in front of him. The youth is the idealistic youth who is o. Fool's journey. As the cards move down, they tell the story of youth on a Quest. The quest is simular to Joseph Campbell's The Hero's Journey. He meets a Wiseman. Is tested, and comes back the hero.
Any correlation between the book and the nursery rhyme ‘Finnegan begin again’?
Whelp looks like I need to give Star Wars another shot
He should read the Bible. If he approached it like he does fiction he would see it differently. Not that it is fiction, though.
The real hot take here is a book that most people (including apparently Carr himself) can’t successfully make any sense of is the “greatest work of literature”. Which is, in fact, stupid and wrong.
Greatest work of fiction in the modern age is one piece
Tl;Dr pompous book = mid movies and pompous fans
I like Trevor's jacket
/me: “Can’t possibly be that bad”<br><b>starts reading</b> riverrun, past Eve and Adam’s, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.
if some a work is <i>so</i> inaccessible that even the people who claim it’s “the greatest ever” haven’t read it, I don’t see how it can be considered “the greatest ever”. sometimes it’s fun when books are intellectually rigorous, but I’ve yet to hear <i>anyone</i> who has <b>actually read an entire book by James Joyce</b> describe it in a way that sounds fun or entertaining in any way. it always sounds like the payoff of being able to say “I’ve completed (and understood) a novel by Joyce” is the best part and not actually reading it. <br><br>I’m not saying Joyce was untalented, or that his literary contributions aren’t important and influential. I’m also not saying that books need to be accessible^ to everyone in order to be great. when it’s something like this though, which as far as I can tell has never sparked joy except for in a small percentage of a very specific sub-type of nerd, calling it “the greatest/best book ever” is obnoxious pretentious nonsense. <br>[^accessibility strictly in the sense of literacy. vision impairments, learning disabilities, and/or financial struggles shouldn’t be a reason a person can’t read a book. however. some people call a book “inaccessible” even though the real issue is that their reading skills are (far) below average. but if that’s the argument, then art in general is “inaccessible” because most people haven’t developed their skills enough to make art they themselves consider “good”. which is obviously nonsense, so yeah a book can be called generally “the best” if people with average reading skills (using accommodations like a dictionary, buddy reading, chunking, audio read along, etc) are able to read and understand it without needing a college course]<br><br>also both the meanings of the title sound like there should be an apostrophe: Finnegan <b>is</b> (a)Wake, or the Wake <b>belonging to</b> Finnegan. Jimmy’s explanation doesn’t make sense, though I accept that Joyce intentionally didn’t put an apostrophe and may have had a legitimate reason
Wow, I never expected this, but I feel as if Mr. Carr has challenged me to deer to try to read Finnigans' wake...<br>Finnnigans wake eould probably have been one of Albert Einsteins' favourite books if judged by the title 📚
Jimmy Carr brown-nosing notes racist Joseph Campbell whose work has been widely criticized by actual scholars for being extremely reductive and overly generalized while discounting anything out of his immediate cultural sphere is the least surprising thing I've heard today.
My algorithm is broken. The second to last short video was Ron from Parks and Rec saying how much he likes the book Mobey Dick because there's no metaphors it's just a guy that hates an animal.
game of thrones
Missed any kind of audience. Well done Jimi for serving the actual public. C’mon we know you talking shit, get up and dance.
I wish he would punch Noah. Spoiler alert: he doesn't
Finnegan’s Wake is the joke of an author poking fun at the church. I hardly believe it’s meant to be read and understood.
The hero's journey is literally every story
Good lord the pretentiosness of celebs is unbearable
Thunderclap words or as we German natives say it: just another word.<br>Interviewfragenbeantwortungsvideokommentar!
he has not read it.
Only the original trilogy though. And even then we have LOTR and that's about as far as fiction goes but if you Ask Tolkien that fiction and stuff like the hero's journey is all based on the greatest true story, the christian story, in his words:<br>"It's the true myth, he really exsisted yet it's this story that makes sense of all the other stories it is <b>the</b> archetype it is the story in which all other stories have their source and the story to which all other stories (that came before) point.<br>(then comes a longer quote I'll skip but can post if you want it.)<br><br>"Yet this story has the inner consistency of reality, there is no tale ever told that men would rather find is true and none which so many skeptical men have accepted as true on it's own merits. This story had the supremely convincing tone of primary art not fiction but of creation."
Star Wars is actually inspired by Hidden Fortress (Kurosawa)
Not even a hot take, Star Wars is the quintessential example people point to for the hero's journey.
Here I was thinking it was the bible 😂
Do you think if I read one page a day of Finnegans Wake I could do it?
That makes me think Finnegan's Wake is a psychological operation or an elaborate joke, not a work of literature in any conventional sense. Which would make sense, since it was Joyce.
<i>Star Wars</i> is dumbed down Fantasy Sci-Fi. It is popular <b>because</b> it is simple to understand and is a FUN telling of the Hero's journey. Same for <i>The Matrix.</i>
If you think Finnegan's Wake is difficult, you should try Sri Aurobindo's The Life Divine. Requires super concentration from the multiple clauses in each sentence, and the ability to really open you mind.
my spirit name is nuanced in that way
I love Campbell's book and the idea of the hero's journey. This is a really dumb take.
It has to be fiction to be considered the best fiction. The fact is, we arent smart enough to warrant saving
Don’t make me agree with Jimmy Carr
Finnegans Wake isn't a good book. Joyce was kind of shit
It wasn't about Arabian Nights; it's literally a Persian story.
My wife is a James Joyce scholar and is in two Finnegan's Wake reading groups that meet every week and every other week, respectively. While I'm sure that she's read the whole book many times cumulatively, it's all in bits and pieces, since the book is circular and can technically be started from any point. Its one of those books that is best read in groups because it is full-to-bursting with references and puns that no single person will catch all on their own. I'm a biologist and very occasionally when I'm overhearing the meetings, its me that will chime in to point out a specific bit of wordplay, not because I'm particularly good at that sort of thing but because it will be related to something obscure within natural sciences that won't be common knowledge to a random sampling of literary theorists. It really speaks to just how much of a polymath Joyce was.
I'll need much better than "It's complicated" to agree that any book is the best.<br>Being complicated =/= being good.
I've long been impressed by Jimmy Carr's intelligence but this is wild. He thinks like this, keeps all sorts of works in his head and is able to cross connect them - and convey it all in in ex tempore coherent spoken paragraphs.
The first 6 movies, yes. Would agree.
Never tried Finnegans Wake, but failed to get far into Ulysses. I tried to read Ulysses, because I had read James Joyce's short story, The Dead, and thought it was incredible.
in early interviews lucas gives credit to campbell and states it is his story including a by line on early drafts. that history was rewritten and campbell left out in the finished product. as the fame grew the credit lessened and now he disavows it believing his own myth of being that creative.<br><br>the film based on myths made by a myth becomes a myth.
Campbell is so intellectual, i enjoy simply trying to understand his words. Mind blown.
Star wars is a book ive never read
🤨<br><br>Fire was discovered, not invented.
THE HEROES JOURNEY IS NONSENSE<br><br>Finnegans Wake is an INSIDE JOKE
My uncle Nigel Best spent 20+ years working on the first 2 pages and published 3 books on it.
Lighting making it look more like AI is just crazy.
The first time I’ve seen Trevor Noah in anything I enjoyed. This is a cool take.
The Hero's Journey is way older than Finnegans Wake, we had stories like that before writing and fire.
An old documentary said that the Campbell book that helped George Lucas write Star Wars was “The Masks Of God”.
Star wars is the Odyssey and the Arthurian Legends combined
why does this guy look like a puppet from thunderbirds
It’s got words that are a hundred letters long. <br><br>Germany: hold my bier
Nonsense. By that measure every grade 9 kid that writes a story in their english class has written the best story ever?<br><br>Star Wars isn't even close to the best telling of the heroes journey.
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Nah, the greatest work of fiction is Hunter×Hunter.
I don’t think anything that difficult to understand is brilliant. I think it’s just intellectual masturbation.
Plenty of hero spirits out there that never needed star wars or this book
Sums jimmy up...his faviurite book is one he cant read lol
It absolutely is not the greatest work of fiction. The first 3 are the only ones that actually flow together the greatest work of fiction is the illiad, fucking period. It has influenced more cultures, historical events and the over flow of history that any thing that has ever been, including religion. This is a ridiculous claim
This proves that Jimmy Carr is an eejit.
Star Wars? The original movie was great and they should have stopped there.
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