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What should Man City’s punishment be? 🤔 Breaking down the 114 charges | ESPN FC

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@YTTVMOB
@@YTTVMOBImported1mo ago
Favourable comments for Man City show how effective sports washing is. People are delusional. This is a regulatory and criminal matter not a football matter.
@thomasmadman383
@@thomasmadman383Imported1mo ago
Be honest city owners are heros, they stopped united from wining the league every year. The rules allow the big teams to block vote against any FFP changes giving them a forever monopoly over the league and the improves only their chances to win it, Newcastle can't compete and even with all there billions there restrained by revenue and what they can spend. Until city came along how many different teams had won the pl? The pl was as bad and laliga is and the German league is, if it wasn't for city the pl would be just awful as them leagues. Clubs like chelsea under ibramavic and Man city allowed the pl to be the best league. Man u would of had near 30 titles by now, as a LFC fan I'd say give them the same punishment Chelsea got a transfer ban a humongous fine and maybe maybe drop them down a league or maybe two. But you can't strip titles don't punish the players
@KumarSingh-qi6kd
@@KumarSingh-qi6kdImported1mo ago
The Fraudulent actions during 2009_18 paved the way for more success later on. The last 17 years should be under the microscope, expulsion from the league is a minimum sanction.
@Keepwalking268
@@Keepwalking268Imported1mo ago
Negative 342 points immediately, 2 year transfer ban, strip the titles and award second place and compensation for all clubs that finished 17th over period ....... this is terrible shame shame shame
@AIMinds-i6j
@@AIMinds-i6jImported1mo ago
This Ale guy not so bright
@minosknossos
@@minosknossosImported1mo ago
This is nothing compared to what Juventus did.
@mrskyz8976
@@mrskyz8976Imported1mo ago
Economic Impact ConcernsThe £2.5B to £3B Claims:
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<br>Financial analysts and social media reports have estimated that an expulsion or heavy punishment affecting the league&#39;s competitive balance and broadcast value could put billions of pounds in total economic or broadcast value at risk.
@VoneyM
@@VoneyMImported1mo ago
2-3😂
@YannickRodrigues-d2s
@@YannickRodrigues-d2sImported1mo ago
Be more humble guys and show some love to Gab. The guy is very smart, talks very well and makes really good points.
@redmed10
@@redmed10Imported1mo ago
Hope we dont have to wait as long for the punishments and appeals to be heard as this original case.
@calamusmaideneye9406
@@calamusmaideneye9406Imported1mo ago
And I thought Italian football was corrupt 😅
@maybinmukalamba9906
@@maybinmukalamba9906Imported1mo ago
Each count should carry 3 point deduction<br>Transfer ban not less than 5 years<br>Europe ban<br>Titles stripped<br>Fined atleast £500m
@TihomirUrumov
@@TihomirUrumovImported1mo ago
Pep Guardioola is the smartest - He knew what is coming and left just on time!
@evanjackson8607
@@evanjackson8607Imported1mo ago
Why punish the fans and players? Make the owners sell the club.
@tecnicaaa
@@tecnicaaaImported1mo ago
How stupid of you to try and defend city here FFS.
@ImranSaeed-m3k
@@ImranSaeed-m3kImported1mo ago
Manchester CHEATERS 😅😅😅
@nickrobben7681
@@nickrobben7681Imported1mo ago
Its already Moneyball the games gone for awhile why crys all of a sudden…
@InLikeFlynn50
@@InLikeFlynn50Imported1mo ago
If they cheated over 9 years they should be banned from the Pl for 9 years.
@brianmunene8524
@@brianmunene8524Imported1mo ago
After reading several articles i feel like there has been misunderstanding. Yes man city are most probably guilty but not of 114 charges. If you can recall the 115 charges were basically 5 big accusations that repeated itself over a span of the ten so years. What ive read is that man city were found guilty of 4 out of the 5 big charges with the 1 they were found innocent was the biggest one. Before making your conclusion wait for the document that explains everything then come to your conclusions
@HChow2
@@HChow2Imported1mo ago
The biggest crime is how long this took - because now it’s very difficult to accurately administer justice…
@MarkWesemann
@@MarkWesemannImported1mo ago
Sorrry Frank CHEATS have to be made an example of for the creditable of the SPORT,
@musiclistened83
@@musiclistened83Imported1mo ago
I wholeheartedly disagree with Ale, you cannot make a “too big to be punished” business model to achieve success by breaking laws—especially as it appears to be systematic and purposeful cheating over the years. Although it’s sad for innocent Man City staff and the fans, let’s not get into the “emotional” aspect to avoid consequences cause these situations happen to corporations every day and should be treated as such.
@kadiummusic
@@kadiummusicImported1mo ago
Drop them down two leagues, ban transfers for two years and the Gallagher brothers have to apologise for all their &#39;music&#39; and promise never to appear on stage, TV, radio or gatecrash somebody&#39;s celebrations ever again! 😃
@XalvadorDuke
@@XalvadorDukeImported1mo ago
Why is it taking too long?<br>It&#39;s just a shame, feels like the are using money to rig the system even more
@NickyNoChairs
@@NickyNoChairsImported1mo ago
Let&#39;s not forget about the player reps and agents that were involved. They (and their agencies) should be banned from representing PL players and should be appropriately sanctioned as well.
@Zerotheism
@@ZerotheismImported1mo ago
MANCHESTER IS RED ❤❤❤❤ ALWAYS
@oliverbold9724
@@oliverbold9724Imported1mo ago
Girondins Bordeaux<br>Stolze spanier
@JHOP2201
@@JHOP2201Imported1mo ago
Where did Nicol get his law degree?
@Réy-u6h
@@Réy-u6hImported1mo ago
Okay let me ask one thing. If they are relegated,is it fair for the lower division teams who are trying to come up to compete with man city?
@tCkuNknoWnfAte
@@tCkuNknoWnfAteImported1mo ago
Ignorant people saying “oh but the teams were good and played good and won on the field” <br><br>That’s the whole point that they cheated and put these extremely expensive teams together that otherwise wouldn’t have happened had they not financially cheated. No Aguero not Haaland, no Silva or de Bruyne, maybe 1 or two of those great players, but all of them? That’s the fact.<br><br><br>Yes they won it on the field, but they shouldn’t have been on the field at all
@obongofonpeter8483
@@obongofonpeter8483Imported1mo ago
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc6BfnHX4l4&amp;t=3285">54:45</a>; premium content 😂😂😂
@david2408-v9m
@@david2408-v9mImported1mo ago
Ale is as myopic as ever here. The players and the manager would have never been brought together if not for the cheating, ergo, what they achieved is null and void
@oluwatayomojetoluwa9344
@@oluwatayomojetoluwa9344Imported1mo ago
Not Gab wearing a Tanjiro shirt
@EZ-MuZiK
@@EZ-MuZiKImported1mo ago
Listen players want to go to a big club, if City was not seen as a big club in the last few years many of these top player would choose different clubs...with their cheating there is a cause and effect and one of those effects is making good players go to the club so yes, the players there now needs to feel it...
@GAIA-z6t
@@GAIA-z6tImported1mo ago
All the top clubs have been cheating legally for years getting to spend more than everyone else. Under current rules most of the teams in the premier league can only hope to be best of the also rans. The premier league have just made what should be illegal legal creating a royal family in football that everyone else as to bow down to.
@josephpimentel9451
@@josephpimentel9451Imported1mo ago
Relegate to league 2 😂
@ctr1502
@@ctr1502Imported1mo ago
Whilst the regulator has went after them, HMRC should come in now and look into how much tax was evaded through back alley salary payments. <br>The implications of player and club accounting fraud on a decade + scale requires full scrutiny.
@Intowatches
@@IntowatchesImported1mo ago
Ask rangers* for advice, they&#39;ll be a good shoulder to cry on 😂
@PastorOfMuppetsIPYS
@@PastorOfMuppetsIPYSImported1mo ago
Does that mean Ted Lasso won an EPL title?
@jasonmay9387
@@jasonmay9387Imported1mo ago
Send the League 1 and Haaland can score 3,000 goals lol
@jasonmay9387
@@jasonmay9387Imported1mo ago
They should take points away from Coventry City to hold them accountable.
@angelicstatueoftheinnerpath
@@angelicstatueoftheinnerpathImported1mo ago
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc6BfnHX4l4&amp;t=3298">54:58</a> was listening on apple podcasts but had to come here to see how much kay was laughing 😂😂😂 sounded like she was crying 😂😂😂
@ZoubirKabir
@@ZoubirKabirImported1mo ago
This video fails when the two guys dont ev en know what sanctions are available. Have they not had time to prepare? How many years has it been? The sanctions will be written into the constituion or rules of the EPL so they should have researched and prepared for this programme. Effectively they each said they could not address the thumbnail strapline. That&#39;s unprofessional.
@edwardbernayse6665
@@edwardbernayse6665Imported1mo ago
What about a large fine and put a salary cap on how much they can spend on players? I know its a bad idea but its the best bad idea that I can think of as far as punishment.
@birtlee2078
@@birtlee2078Imported1mo ago
City owners think they are above law and can pay their way out of it. Been corrupt for years - relegate them to League 1
@birtlee2078
@@birtlee2078Imported1mo ago
If they don’t get relegated the game is corrupt
@gitfitz2028
@@gitfitz2028Imported1mo ago
Cooking the books is illegal its fraud lock them up and anyone who took payments lock them up too . And any club that finished 2nd to them sue them independently this just makes what klopp did at Liverpool 100 times better.
@Byron-z2r
@@Byron-z2rImported1mo ago
&quot;youve cheated for years <br>You&#39;ve cheated for yeeeeears ... Manchester city you&#39;ve cheated for years &quot;
@nahrafdhom
@@nahrafdhomImported1mo ago
I turn off when Dan is not there. Just not engaging.
@milliefrankieshaw2009
@@milliefrankieshaw2009Imported1mo ago
“It’s impossible to figure out” <br>Is it ? <br>Look at Villa. For around 5/6 season now, they’ve created an incredible side .<br>No world beater’s, just hard working, high potential players with a world class manager… and every season, they’ve been forced to sell their talent to clubs like city off the back of a lie !! <br>I was born in the 80s, growing up, Manchester City (especially in the 90s) were nowhere near Villa as a club .<br>Villa had won more trophies than city, they’d seemingly had a waaaay bigger following and yet with a few seasons and a few FA cup’s.. what? City were allowed to outspend Villa by a colossal amount? <br>Behave!! <br>Look at Leicester.<br>Won the league, won FA cups and were never allowed to spend obscene amounts. Why? Because that’s not how the league was structured.<br>So… we do know !! <br>If city had played by the rules like most other clubs, city would have been a mid table team at best !! <br>And just incase you still don’t believe it . <br>Since the premier league was formed in the 92/93 season, it was always Liverpool, arsenal and Utd.<br>Since then, the only 2 clubs that have come close to the 3 sides (consistently) have been Chelsea and city… I don’t think I need to explain the parallels there
@tomteatom
@@tomteatomImported1mo ago
A nine year ban from the Premier League should be absolutely non-negotiable.<br><br>Beyond that each breach in each year needs an appropriate points reduction applied to that season, and the resulting loss of league position should mean titles and prize money is redistributed to the non-cheating teams.<br><br>I don&#39;t see how any other punishment works, but obviously fraud has been committed, so that is a legal matter for the police to deal with.
@bradhazlett3149
@@bradhazlett3149Imported1mo ago
The first thing should be the sale of the club. Criminal charges for those involved. Relegation to lowest league in England. Any player that took illegal payments should be banned from futball. Welcome to the real world.
@TheMarcelApp
@@TheMarcelAppImported1mo ago
Any player or manager who accepted off book payments should be banned from football for some time, and stripped of their achievements. The part of the office and directors who played a part in it should be banned from football. The club should be relegated and banned from the premiership for a decade. All trophies should be cancelled. <br><br>And every affected club should sue for damages, or whatever that is called in England. Owners of the period should be held liable for those damages.
@udeaniizuchukwu7836
@@udeaniizuchukwu7836Imported1mo ago
What human perspective are u talking about? If i own a company that employs 1000 staffs and i have been found guilty of financial crimes which has given my company competitive advantage. The penalty is for everyone me, my company. The ripple effect is nobodys business. This is football, fairness should b the pinnacle, if not the sports is gone. Even the staff and fans know they were as guilty as sin. So stop making excuses for them. When they lorded their achievements over others that did things fairly nobody considered their feelings. There is no monopoly to breaking rules. Some just decide to follow the rules eg arsenal, utd and liverpool
@slappersss
@@slappersssImported1mo ago
Every team does this who cares let the players get that $$$ I’m sure more elite talent will look towards city now that they prove they spend
@timeaton5710
@@timeaton5710Imported1mo ago
There are 16 teams in the championship who have been in the PL with City during the period of their cheating. City shouldn&#39;t be able to deprive any if them of a promotion spot. They should be dumped in league 2 and made to fight their way back.
@milliefrankieshaw2009
@@milliefrankieshaw2009Imported1mo ago
Do these folk even understand what’s been going on ? <br>It’s taken as long as it has because city have been hiding their finances.<br>Yes, the premier league SHOULD have more power and be able to demand transparency but these clubs have become so big, they’ve become a rule to themselves!! <br>One thing that nobody’s talking about is… the uk government forced Roman to sell Chelsea (I think I’m right in saying).<br>We should be doing exactly the same with city .<br>They’ve embarrassed themselves, the football league and more importantly, the fans that have supported them season in, season out .
@Gdatshim
@@GdatshimImported1mo ago
so 7 charges and 107 the rest are you didnt give me your license when i pulled your over
@AA-ke5bd
@@AA-ke5bdImported1mo ago
I&#39;m more curious about the charge they were exonerated on.
@CistiC0987
@@CistiC0987Imported1mo ago
Meanwhile those happy Chappies on the top of the prem with all those cheated trophies 😂<br>Poetical!
@skej6886
@@skej6886Imported1mo ago
I think the premier league should appeal, for the not guilty charge, so that they&#39;re guilty of all the charges
@sheffsteel7
@@sheffsteel7Imported1mo ago
Franc talks about innocent people, staff and fans being punished but those same people have gained so much from the cheating. Man City fans have had an incredible last few years with so many once in a lifetime experiences that other fans dream about.
@redknights2007
@@redknights2007Imported1mo ago
Outside of any points and financial penalties. I believe since 14 counts of players and coaches being paid with cooked books were found. Any evidence of those individuals knew, then they need to be suspended if they are still in the Prem or suspended from the prem. This should include agents. You can&#39;t tell me they wouldn&#39;t know were the money&#39;s coming from.
@tommyholmberg1841
@@tommyholmberg1841Imported1mo ago
Just forgive them for all sins😇Give them just a warning🤡Man C is a part of the brits😉Amen
@akwasi196
@@akwasi196Imported1mo ago
Juventus won their games too no? The financial cheating was used to pay the players
@dmyt-fr
@@dmyt-frImported1mo ago
Frank&#39;s argument is really weak. Life is unfair. When your employers cheat or are corrupted, everybody gets swept up in the consequences.
@Justin-eq7yu
@@Justin-eq7yuImported1mo ago
Darth Vader thinks
@Justin-eq7yu
@@Justin-eq7yuImported1mo ago
Has Mark had a dental pricedure mans seaty
@Justin-eq7yu
@@Justin-eq7yuImported1mo ago
Pep was part of this he should get a ban for 5 years.
@JanneTrabantti
@@JanneTrabanttiImported1mo ago
The punishment will be: nothing
@smanslam1
@@smanslam1Imported1mo ago
Some clubs are waiting to sign Haaland.
@smanslam1
@@smanslam1Imported1mo ago
I&#39;m just remembering when Juventus got relegated from Serie A.
@CistiC0987
@@CistiC0987Imported1mo ago
Mansour, you silly! Next time you have to buy the whole prem with the FA! I mean, duh!
@CistiC0987
@@CistiC0987Imported1mo ago
114? You need to look at it from the bright side: at least it&#39;s not 115 😂
@stuartg380
@@stuartg380Imported1mo ago
This is the worst possible thing that they could be found guilty of. It needs to be the full extent. Expel from the league, disqualify the directors, strip the titles. Tough sh*t.
@Einstein-mc2
@@Einstein-mc2Imported1mo ago
They should have sorted the verdict and penalties out before the start of the new season
@ajjuniorserr
@@ajjuniorserrImported1mo ago
Well of all charges stick against my club i guess we lose all the accolades that was gathered in this 15+ year period
@DDV7972-k9m
@@DDV7972-k9mImported1mo ago
“Manchester thanks you Sheikh Mansour!”😂😂😂😂
@mdredzuan4155
@@mdredzuan4155Imported1mo ago
Man Cheaty chants all the way!
@offtopic521
@@offtopic521Imported1mo ago
No financial penalty will hurt the club as much as erasing the titles from the record. The whole point of the cheating, and hundreds of millions in investment was to fasttrack their way to an eternal legacy. Erasing that fake legacy is the only thing that will hurt them
@InkyBizzo
@@InkyBizzoImported1mo ago
Wait….so you’re telling me Yaya was asking for birthday cakes on top of the illegal payments he was receiving? Geez Yaya 🙈🙈🙈🙈🤣🤣
@obongofonpeter8483
@@obongofonpeter8483Imported1mo ago
This is a massive case and the repercussions should be massive as well.
@AWittyPerspective
@@AWittyPerspectiveImported1mo ago
That is why I respect Jose much more than Pep. I think Pep was spectacular at Barcelona but after that he got everything served to him on a plate. He went to a Bayern team that had won a UCL but he underachieved. As soon as you become a Bayern manager, one thing is guaranteed: winning the Bundesliga. So, we can&#39;t count that as some major achievement. And then, he went to a club with endless resources and he was able to sign every player that he wanted. Still, they had to break every rule in the rulebook to win all these titles. He took the credit and when it was time to face the charges, he left. So opportunistic.
@one_thunder_gamer8519
@@one_thunder_gamer8519Imported1mo ago
They should pay a certain amount of money and split (unevenly) to other teams for each year
@couli1807
@@couli1807Imported1mo ago
Let&#39;s forget for a moment that Man City operates in sports and football in particular. If this happened to a regular company, the company would cease to exist. Now, they fall under specific regulations enforced by a specific regulator. The regulator will decide on sanctions provided for by their statute. It will probably be a steep fine and a sporting penalty, like a relegation by 2 or 3 divisions. Then the whole thing will go before several courts of law, with potential criminal charges filed against the owners, executives, and staff members, including players or coaches who acted illegally or knowingly benefited from it.
@ulfanfinneriksen4643
@@ulfanfinneriksen4643Imported1mo ago
S stain on Manchester City 4ever
@lefrash
@@lefrashImported1mo ago
No point giving them a single season points deduction, they&#39;d bounce back up with a season and the epl cant juat put them down to a lower leageue. I say:<br><br>5 year transfer ban<br>5 year 50 point deduction<br>Null and void all epl wins<br><br>This would mean they&#39;d like fall into obscurity, likely bouncing about mid table or lower. Long term punishment<br>.
@geoffbucks5803
@@geoffbucks5803Imported1mo ago
Whatever the penalties : it is not fair to punish fans and players ! <br>The PL should punish the Full Board harshly with very heavy punitive fines Fhe Board shoukd be sacked and barred from being board members of any football club in the future. The club shoukd be sold. But please don’t punish the fans and plays red. They played no part in this breaking if the rules.
@egrant3351
@@egrant3351Imported1mo ago
Should be similar to how Juve got punoshed
@AWittyPerspective
@@AWittyPerspectiveImported1mo ago
Somebody call Luke Skywalker
@ulfanfinneriksen4643
@@ulfanfinneriksen4643Imported1mo ago
Arsenal could be 5x times champions in a row.
@SSivakrish
@@SSivakrishImported1mo ago
Man city is done. The club will be dismantled
@ourhouseuk
@@ourhouseukImported1mo ago
ESPN FC crew on the ignore Pep train. Think he left with a year on his contract because of whatever, pull the other one. He likely knew this was coming and RAN to disassociate himself. he was probably instrumental in all of this. You can say he’s a genius then think he didn’t have any idea his recruits were bought illegally. On top<br>Of that, you think he didn’t pocket some extra? <br><br>Let’s see how many people come up on tax dodge charges, or some other thing. <br><br>And let’s not gloss over the potential money laundering activity, on top of sports washing. <br><br>The punishment is not very difficult to figure out. I’m not sure why there’s so much debate. Surely people can arrive at a fair conclusion when it’s staring them in the face.
@ProfHannah-h1l
@@ProfHannah-h1lImported1mo ago
Only v v strong sanctions will stop repeat. Poor Stevie G is defined by slip instead of title cuz of scandal.<br><br>Poor Stevie G &amp; Klopp must be feeling sick. 99 points in a season &amp; no Title.<br><br>But will they deduct points from working class Albion (WBA FC) again - for rule breaking by rich elites ?<br><br>Do Small clubs get severely treated for minor infringements, but the rich clubs get away with it?<br><br>Man C must be relegated to tier 5 &amp; given transfer ban 4 decade. <br><br>PM Andy must pass law, so clubs are 51% + owned by UK folk (a la Germany model).<br><br>UK fans pay twice as much for game day tickets, merchandise &amp; TV subscriptions compared to Germany.<br><br>Since 1970, England has won 0 zero world cups &amp; Germany has 3 WC Cups &amp; and their fans are treated much better.<br><br>Football is a big part of UK culture &amp; this wrong doing has caused a lot of stress to all fans.<br><br>Imagine if your Christian churches were taken over by the Afghanistan Taliban ?<br><br>Or Universities taken over by Chyna &amp; your kids brainwashed ?<br><br>PM Andy will win a snap GE in 2027 if he sets up a new world governing body &amp; safeguards our clubs.<br><br>Its not just about the 3 championships &amp; 3 lg cups &amp; 1 FA Cup they won unfairly.<br><br>Recent success was also built on that past unfair conduct.<br><br>Surely thay have to lose all their 8 cups &amp; 8 Prem &amp; UCL titles won in this century.<br><br>Cmon PM Andy Burnham do your duty.<br><br>Thanks for covering the biggest story of the yr so well. Its bigger than politics &amp; economy &amp; the boats news.
@spinningbackfist2672
@@spinningbackfist2672Imported1mo ago
Villy Manilly
@shielawallang2586
@@shielawallang2586Imported1mo ago
Oh!! Frank .....
@PokerfaceAK
@@PokerfaceAKImported1mo ago
As my old man used to say, &quot;Never trust an Arab&quot;
@VKMP1234
@@VKMP1234Imported1mo ago
An hour of Mark heavy breathing in the background. Good job
@GTRaceReplays
@@GTRaceReplaysImported1mo ago
The only charge City was not guilty of is being a big club. 😂
@7th.trumpet
@@7th.trumpetImported1mo ago
Paying Mancini £2M a year, but made the rest up by paying him another £2M for 4 days &#39;consultation work&#39; in Saudi ??? Signing Lampard to their other club.. New York City, then loaning him to City ? You can guarantee players (including pep) are also on shady deals. The whole club is utter corrupt and needs to be made an example of.