"Our Generation Was Lied To": Two Gen Z Mps on Fixing Politics.

Millennials are the ones who seem to be moaning about everything. Gen Z is a bizarre category. It runs from 14-year-olds to 29-year-olds currently. <br><br>Feels like in most media many people have switched the world &quot;millennial&quot; for &quot;Gen Z&quot; and don&#39;t actually know what the difference is.

Every decade gets worse than the generation before the other since the industrial revolution of the 19th century called propaganda band wagon the more creature comfort with technology the more stress we create in simplicity of living versus complex living beyond possession of everything is the norm. Do we need so much in an iPhone with TV and entertainment and beyond five types of clothes and best of cars and houses eating at entert fancy restaurants or happy a rent roof and seeing nature pair of pants and shirts with great food from the store. Jesus said about these earthly things &quot;what am I going to eat and wear and do.&quot; Indeed money has grown since the Roman Empire in trade with today beyond Greed Power and Fame money can&#39;t buy Jesus love and we definitely see how technology through the 20th century into the 21st century is a root cause in the bandwagon creature comfort everyone has to get one to be normal and happy but is it

We are technologically basically stagnating for over a decade. Maybe they want to sell AI as the latest breakthrough, but the last real game changer was the smartphone. The other thing that is stagnating is the real economy beyond real estate inflation. This is where Gen Z as new entrants to the housing markets take the brunt of the pain. Job markets are much better nowadays in my country than 25 years ago, or during the financial crisis thanks to demographic changes. But the challenges for Gen Z are not easy.

The common denominator,the salvation, the peace and hope in the heart and mind of every human of every generation on this earth is almost universally held in derision and ridicule. The perfection,that it is, is trodden under foot and cursed. Humans are fools! The difficulties and hardships that the young experience is real. <br>Yet, again… almost universally ,humanity, the world over outright refuse and reject the hand of salvation that is extended to them. DO NOT be duped by the lies,deceit and hypocrisy of the humans in the poisonous religions that contaminate the entire earth. <br>Their evil does NOT make God a liar. The perfection of God will STAND FOREVER. And gen Y’s and Z’s and millennials are humans like us all and probably reject the actual real hand of salvation that is held out to them. Go ahead.. take his hand and be given a new life! Go ahead.. read the perfect words <br>Matt <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmy-hKk_rOs&amp;t=688">11:28</a>-30.

I remember universities trying to sell themselves on open days based on student experience and getting drunk essentially. To me, this was the sign the incentives running the institutions had messed up. Uni should be a place to learn skills to become more productive members of society. If the you put work in and the smills you leave with dont give you access to useful things that can pay the debt off, the value isnt worth it.

Rosie, at about <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmy-hKk_rOs&amp;t=1770">29:30</a>, you comment that you feel you were lied to. Implicit in that comment is an intent to deceive. This is what will alienated your 60+ year old constituents. I am 63. My generation are certainly culpable, but through our own ignorance, selfishness and negligence, not through any malice or intent to deceive you.

1 million NEETs. And yet UK has profound skills shortages in construction, social and healthcare, digital/ICT and hospitality. NEETs need to be strongly urged /supported/ financed? to train up to fill these gaps. Surely this isn’t impossible. It’s a triple win for the NEETs, the companies/economy/organisations and the Gov.

It is, indeed, rather distressing. In fact, every generation faces uncertainty and unique challenges. And no generation is entitled to any sense of prosperity or security. Whoever buys into a fanciful notion of reality—or allows themself to be convinced otherwise—will find no consolation in self-pity or a sense of grievance. Get on with it and stop feeling sorry for yourself—keep calm and carry on. And if and when it all goes pear-shaped, get up and do it all over again. There is and never has been any other way. Only you are responsible.<br><br>For anyone hearing this for the first time, you&#39;re welcome—reality is always on time. Tough love? If it helps, maybe.

I’m 63 and angry. I’m angry that my generation on realising how we’ve stolen the futures of the younger generations are still not doing anything about it. I am now ready to sacrifice my life for their futures. I want the leadership to tell me how I do this.

If you are a gen X or boomer about to write a comment complaining that you had it tough too please understand this:<br><br>The difference is hope. <br><br>Millennials are the first generation not to be better off than the previous. Gen z are the first generation that grew up knowing that they won&#39;t be better off than the previous generations. <br><br>As a gen z, I cannot explain how ingrained that knowledge has been. I have never known someone my age to have that hope. My friends had conversations at 12 about how we would never afford our own house. I knew that the pension system won&#39;t be there for me in the same way as it is currently before I got my first job. The difference in what gen z faces is that we don&#39;t have the luxury of hope to get us through whatever life throws at us.

Gen z have it hard in many ways but the way Rosie laughs at her grandmother saying they didn&#39;t have washing machines when she was young shows just how much people now (not just gen z) take automation for granted. A washing machine is not a trivial thing. That is hours and hours of weekly labour that women were liberated from. <br><br>There&#39;s a big difference between thinking young people have it easy because they have fancy iphones (obviously silly) and pointing out that life is far more comfortable and requires far less of certain sorts of labour and drudgery now than it did for older generations. My grandparents didn&#39;t have indoor plumbing or hot water or electricity in their youth. Even leaving aside the war, their life was far from easy.

The closer we get to the centre of politics, the more we see enormous complexity being revealed. Every social and political need is surrounded by complex, contested, and almost irreconcilable expectations. That’s why Harold Wilson repeated the mantra: Politics is the art of the possible. Politicians are like the rest of us: they do what can be done, within their unique political constraints. But is it possible to make the case for other “Young generations”? I was born just after the end of WW2, with much of the world in ruins, soon followed by the fear of a nuclear holocaust – total wipeout. When I was at school, only 5-6% of school leavers made it to university. The rest had to make do without that special qualification, and the 3-year growing-up experience. Every generation has its cross to bear.

It&#39;s a bit frustrating that so much of &quot;we need to help GenZ&quot; seems to have the unspoken second part. &quot;To pay for the boomers who hate them&quot;.<br><br>I&#39;ve worked retail and customer service for years. Old people are the worst customers. I couldn&#39;t believe that I was serving them, paying taxes to fund their pensions. And they&#39;re still just awful people when you&#39;re working.<br><br>Rosie hit the nail on the head here. Young people can see that there&#39;s only care now, because the government has been forced to care.

Born a few weeks after Alistair C, this is not the country I grew up in and most of the changes are for the worst. House prices are obscene and I&#39;m ashamed of the student finance burden. However, coming of age in the 1970s was no picnic. Terrible industrial relations, strike after strike, rampant inflation. Result: Thatcherism. Not just for one parliament but for three. Despite the fact that around 60% of voters opposed it, our first past the post voting system and a divided progressive movement allowed this ideology to rule for far too long. We need a more proportional voting system and I&#39;m surprised this was not mentioned by your young MPs.

A very frustrated Gen Xer here. My great grandad, who lived to an incredible 103 years and 10 months, saw a generation of his peers wiped out. He was blown up, at the age of 21, in the battle of the Somme, but somehow survived. That generation suffered more than we can imagine. His daughter, my gran, suffered through the second world war. My mum and dad suffered, and only got on the housing ladder because my grand parents, and my gran`s 4 unmarried sisters, who had professional jobs, helped and supported them. I`m not going to go into my own circumstances but life has been far from secure. Life IS A BATTLE. Be kind. IDK what else to say.

Impressed by your committmenr.<br>Yes life is very different but was not necessarily easier.<br>But remenger<br>1. Older peoples taxes and NI gave you the opportunity of free education,until 18 and a healthy service which you may not have to use personally.<br>But the developements in neonatal and paedriatric care has been avaabke to your peers. At great expense no doubt,and I do not regret that.<br>And as some others have mentionned, national politicians and international events have affected Gen Z but not only them.<br>No person an island...

6 minutes in so far, not sure i can watch more. I am sympathetic - especially about the challenges of recent years. I really am. But I really think that going on about intergenerational unfairness is going to be an unproductive non-starter for everyone. Each generation has had their own particular challenges, and their own particular boons - and each generation will naturally prioritise their own subjective interpretation when making comparison . All this kind of talk will achieve is to just make the broader discourse more unwieldy and intractable, while further angering some and alienating others. It is a poor and counter-productive strategy. Better to focus on what we can do now, to address these challenges in the present, and to try to make the world better for those who will come after.

I was educated in the 70&#39;s and it was free, but at a time when there was less automation, more domestic industry and manufacting, more job opportunities, no AI and the possibilty to own a house, despite the fact I didn&#39;t buy a house until I was forty, because there was less demand and competiton, and it wasn&#39;t seen as essential to Own a proprety. Student debt is terrible, house prices are prohibitive , and job opportunities are fewer because the reality is there are 13 million more people in the UK than when I was young, all competing for university places, jobs, houses, NHS services.etc etc As a generation you were given expectations beyond the reality of what was possible and could achieve in an aspirational society that places too great an emphasis on wealth and materialism. It started with Thatcher! and in todays society it has exploded beyond anything I grew up knowing.

Thinking about the lady who initiated a meet up in a local cafe which Keir mentioned. I think its no coincidence that societal connections have eroded and in parallel peoples mental health has worsened. Lost connections by Johan Hari discusses hoe mental health (depression) is treated and also where groups societies have less or manage mental health and resilience differently. As the title suggests social connections are likely key.

We used to get up in&#39;t morning, at half past 10 at night, half an hour before we&#39;d gone to bed, eat a lump of poison, work 29 hours a day at&#39;mill for ha&#39;penny a lifetime, come home and each night dad would strangle us and dance about on our graves. You try and tell that to the young people of today and will they believe you? No!

Saldy since the 1980&#39;s when Thatcher destroyed UK productivity and local industry, weve been in economic decline since. The UK&#39;s debt gets only worse every year and nobody seems to have a solution. Now the young generation have no hope they can&#39;t find jobs because there isnt enough jobs, the jobs that exist dont pay enough to live in this economic climate. Young people can&#39;t get on the housing ladder because housing is now a metric of wealth in the UK one of the only metrics sadly. Young people can&#39;t have families so now theyre isnt enough young working people to pay for our aging population and the triple lock is drowing them fast.

Generation whiny. I can’t bear the self pity. It’s pathetic. They talk like they were the only generation that experienced Covid. We all had to live through it. Get over it. The 2008 financial crisis was arguably worse. I lost my job after 2008. Guess what I did when nobody was hiring? I moved abroad. I didn’t wallow in self pity. Same in 2020. I lost my job again. I moved to another country again. My wife and I have just had our first child. I will make sure he grows up with a back bone and some resilience, and not to blame the world for his problems.

I&#39;m 75, and this sounds like the life I&#39;ve had. Campaigning re climate change, equal opportunities, energy issues, a full working life and now an exhaustingly hard retirement where I had to become a carer after which I am shortly also going to need care. Doing a stint as a town councillor and voluntary work as well. But the opportunities never came my way. It is always this way in any generation. There is no easy option for the majority throughout history. Just keep going guys, because fairness can be a myth.

I’m retired now; and much as I miss work, I’m physically unable to do much more than sit in front of a computer. In my heyday, though, the nature of the work I did, was creatively stimulating, beneficial to society; and financially rewarding. I feel sorry for anyone who never got a similar secondary education to mine, which made me a valuable employee from the day I left school.<br><br>The Technical School I attended, became a Comprehensive in 1967. Technical schools were construed in the war years and became realities in 1947, under the Tripartite System of Education. They were brilliant for boys of all aptitudes, but excluded girls. Comprehensive schools, were I think, intended to level the gender playing field, but never provided the technical education available to me.<br><br>From the age of 14, while I was still at school, I worked part-time in a radio and TV shop, which gave me an insight into electronics. After I was chucked out of school at 16, I was given a career in Medical Physics at Guy’s Hospital, where I helped; and in some instances, personally devised, products used in the measurement and diagnosis of all manner of medical conditions; as well as maintaining equipment, such as that used in radiotherapy.<br><br>To cut a long story short, very few ‘working class’ kids from my generation had a university education, but because I had an excellent education in how to make things, I was highly respected by the department’s graduates; and in truth, benefited more in all walks of life without one.<br><br>Every classmate I had, bar the three who went to university, was employed within a couple of months of school ending. A lot went on to become businessmen, running their own businesses.<br><br>It’s a difficult thing to convey to people, so thick, they imagine education can be solved with league tables, grade fiddling and giving every school a single, personally-signed copy of the King James’ bible, printed centuries after King James was dead and buried, so was fraudulently signed by a lying twat.<br><br>It’s important to appreciate that it isn’t just Gen Z who were lied to. Everybody alive in 1979 was lied to; and everyone since.<br><br>Britain led the Industrial Revolution; and was well-placed to lead the 2nd one (electronics and computing), but the fuckwit government who came in, was only interested in ripping the world off with finance scams; of which an education that leaves students incapable of discerning the difference between shit and clay, when it comes to technology. <br><br>Our politicians since 1970 have been a disgrace. Technology now rules everything, but do schools teach it in any meaningful way? Have politicians given any support to technology start up businesses? <br><br>Education has focused solely of pretending those with academic ability have any value; at the expense of those whose practical aptitudes are a fundamental requirement to even keep pace with technology, let alone lead the world, as we once did.<br><br>I leave you with this thought. The noted scientist, Isaac Newton maintained that navigation of longitude was an impossibility. John Harrison, who found the solution, whilst Newton was searching for fairies in his garden, was a self-taught carpenter. A man with innate practical skills. Why has Britain been casting similar people on the scrap heap for decades?

This is fall out from letting politicians work into their 60s, 70s, and 80s. Mandatory retirement is a must for any politician in any country. The older folks can serve in other ways and it will refresh the leadership and ideas of all movements and parties. The ossification of the politics is killing our ability to find solutions.

The early boomers had loads of jobs available, fast rising pay, loads of promotions,. final salary pensions, cheap property and rent or even squats available. Late boomers were a lot more likely to be affected by the Thatcher/ Minford Monetarist early 80&#39;s recession, ultra high interest rates, jobs and promotions collapsing, mortgages restricted, pensions made worse and pay frozen or restricted. Many who got on the property ladder lost it with 17% interest rates, then another Tory recession in 1990.

I agree with all this but think it goes back further than gen Z. <br>Born in 62, worked my butt off all my life, behaved, and did everything to try and build a stable financial existence but it&#39;s been anything but. All your money basically ends up in the pockets of the wealthy.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmy-hKk_rOs&amp;t=3219">53:39</a> This is a long accepted phenomenon behind the so called lipstick index too. It traditionally pertains to economic downturns: when the economy is bad and ppl can&#39;t afford big ticket items they buy small luxuries such as lipstick. Lipstick index means we should expect an economic downturn if lipstick sales go up. I feel Rosie might be bang on the money with her matcha reference. If a whole generation is spending their money on matcha there just might be something wrong with that generations financial situation and/or economic prospects. We need to introduce the matcha index into our economic speech! 😀

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmy-hKk_rOs&amp;t=1860">31:00</a> A question about the problem of Plan 2 student loans (Which I am on) and what are the solutions. The repayment threshold being frozen, the interest rates being so high etc. Yet the question is not answered! Keir doesn&#39;t give a way to help people, not a singe policy to what this government can do to! This is what is wrong with our politics. All talk and no action.

What ive heard here is two MPs who dont actually care about making tough decisions. They talk a good game about elderly people being treated with dignity, but that isnt good enough. This is the real world, the maths doesnt add up to a positive number anymore. My grandchildren will be paying off the debt incurred by my grandparents. It is a disgusting thing, for the first time in history, parents are not making it better for their children, instead, burdening them to work for the care of the elderly. Tax take in this country is 38%. That means 38% of all the work you do is basically taken by the government. If you are GenZ or millenial, you dont really see any of that money being spent on you. The services you use are a tiny fraction of the cost of govt spending.<br><br>The size of the government is now greater than the size of the russian government during communism. It is actually mental how people think this is sustainable and that it should be increased. Government needs to cut taxes, get off peoples backs so they can use that money to resolve their own problems.<br><br>14 years of austerity and we still have the highest taxes since WW2, it&#39;s a joke.

two elected MPs on £90k+ salaries complaining about how impossible it is for gen z doesn&#39;t land the way you think it does. you both made it to parliament in your twenties, so the claim that &quot;hard work gets you nowhere&quot; clearly doesn&#39;t hold water.<br><br>the fact that you are sitting in westminster proves that action beats victimhood. you can’t claim &quot;the system is broken&quot; while sitting at the very top of it, especially if you turn your nose up at starting in entry-level retail or hospitality roles. since the dawn of time, people have had to start at the bottom, unless they were born with a silver spoon in hand.<br><br>that said, there are real systemic issues, but making this a &quot;gen z struggle&quot; completely misses the mark. soaring rent and broken housing markets hurt a 35-year-old millennial who doesn&#39;t own a home just as badly as a 22-year-old. there is no &quot;gen z tax&quot; on rent as far as i am aware. framing standard economic pressure as a unique tragedy for one generation just sounds like looking for excuses for lower workforce participation.<br><br>blaming covid also misses the mark. millennials had 2008, then austerity, then brexit, and all the rest of it. just sayin&#39;.

Gen Z isn&#39;t some new species of human! We are all the same bloody animal. Take a hunter gatherer baby, a bronze age baby, a Tudor baby, a 1970s baby, and put them in the year 2000 you will have exactly the same kind of kids we have now. <br><br>We are just a consequence of our biology and life experience. Nothing more. There&#39;s nothing characteristic about any generation that isn&#39;t entirely a product of the world they&#39;re born into. <br><br>The whole mental health snowflake argument and your defence is &quot;there&#39;s more people leaving work because of mental health&quot;. That&#39;s literally their point! They&#39;re saying people are lazy and saying they have mental health problems. <br><br>A better response is &quot;that is purely a consequence of their life experience and you would be doing exactly the same thing if you were born in that generation&quot; <br><br>It&#39;s as simple as that. Stop talking about it like each generation is a new animal and instead come up with some ideas to motivate and bring people together. <br><br>We have no idea what social media and technology has done to people so let&#39;s figure that out. We are all so out of touch with reality. We need good leaders and more reality. I think most people are good and would rally together if we weren&#39;t constantly pointing fingers and choosing sides.<br><br>There are no sides, it&#39;s just something other humans made up.

The attitude to the plight of Gen Z in these comments is exatly the reason why things are getting worse for them. Many of the older people in these comments are out of rouch with reality and like to harken back to when they were our age (during a period of time when there was heavy government investment in jobs, houses etc). It is their voting patterns and selfish attitude which is bringing the country to its knees (not all older generations of course). Instead of focusing on the past, let us actually invest in our future (the young). Let us not forget though that it is the politicians that are stoking tensions between the young and old when in actuality, many of us are struggling, regardless of age.

As a millenial, I sympathise hugely with GenZ but I also plead for us all to remember that our generation has been shafted too... yes, our student loans (for the most part) aren&#39;t as eye-watering as GenZ, but we fought against those tuition fee increases as hard as we could while we were students. And we&#39;ve certainly also seen the social contract collapse from under us; we&#39;ve spent our adulthoods fighting to have the lives we were assured would be ours if we followed the pathways we were pushed towards, and banging our heads against the brick wall trying to be treated like people instead of judged and demeaned. We need some generational solidarity between us younger generations 💪💪

I am in my late 60&#39;s. Sure, life wasn&#39;t always easy; but, there is no question that Gen Z has huge obstacles to negotiate. We owe it to this, and subsequent, section(s) of our society to give much more attention and policy-shift to address their need for hope and decent opportunities. <br><br>Thanks alot for this illuminating video.

Gen Z complains too much. You guys are super privileged. Many generations went through a lot worse. you guys didn’t go through the 1 &amp; 2 world war you guys didn’t go through the Spanish plague that almost killed all of Europe I don’t get it. You need to get off that iPhone, and start going into nature and realize you guys live in a world that has many opportunities.

Sorry saying Gen Z went through unique things like Covid, Brexit ... What do you think the other generations were doing at that time?<br>&quot;Only person in the room who has experienced social media and housing!&quot; - do you not realise that older people have housing issues, and they use .... social media! ? ! Incredibly agist and ignorant.<br><br>I didn&#39;t have an issue with young people as MPs!<br><br>That blinkered &#39;me, me, me&#39;, &#39;we&#39;re the only ones who are struggling&#39; attitude that doesn&#39;t bring people together. Every generation has its challenges.

Opening myself up to the haters here but saying it anyway and ignoring the inevitable abuse! Every generation has had hardships and has felt that they were lied to and were sold a dream. Every generation did what they thought was right at the time. The majority of working class families in the 60&#39;s and 70&#39;s lived to very basic standards (that would be classed as relative poverty now) and struggled to pay their rent. Worried if they could afford the shoes and a winter coat for their kids, panicked about losing jobs etc. Fought hard, camppaigned, went on stirkes and called out what was wrong. The war years - losing the best part of their life to a narrative they were sold and getting little thanks. Prior to that, the main aspiration of many was just to have more children surviving than dying, staying out of the poor house or debtors prison. Hold tight - you will soon be older and being blamed for everything that is wrong by the next generation. All that said, this generation has been dealt a terrible blow in that getting onto the property ladder is impossibly hard and the speed of change and uncertainty is ludicrously difficult. There is no clear reward path of work hard and build your life. I admire and breathe a sigh of relief for the future when I hear young people like these making it their business to try to make things better. Good on ya

Every generation has problems Gen Z is no different but seem to be unable to be proactive in their lives. They haven&#39;t been ravaged by war, decimated by diseases, or had to marry to ensure some sort of life ( women obvs). Nor have they had terrible working conditions exploited by wealthy mill owners. Climate change is a worry for everyone not just genz. There are some things you should get angry about but use that anger in a positive way. Step up to leadership if you don&#39;t like the politics of the day.

Tony Blair introduced student loans in 97 I believe.<br><br>Successive governments have allowed lenders to increase the multiple of loans for houses which has driven the price up and as a follow on the rental market has become hugely expensive for renters.<br>This is a significant portion of income for many people and now unavoidable.<br>Back in the day 2.5 times you income was the norm for mortgage loans.<br>Older and younger people are now suffering the financial consequences

By playing the victim as &quot;Gen Z&quot; you will stop people listening to what you have to say; as long as you and your peers are fine it&#39;s all good. We&#39;re a society and we need to look after everyone. The most critical issue for Gen X and beyond is climate change in the next 30 years - we&#39;re speed running into a global disaster and we need to work together to stop further damage to the world that we will leave to the next generations.