Is this the beginning of the end for the UK?

Realistically Scotland might finally vote for independence but God only knows what would happen to trident? Then when independence fails they’ll just blame it on the English and ask the EU to bail it out. Wales will always tag onto England. Northern Ireland is an interesting one given a third want to join Ireland, another third want to stay in the UK and another third want to be completely independent. It may just be simpler for England to leave the UK 😂

Well if Trump says its a good idea... <a href="UCkszU2WH9gy1mb0dV-11UJg/KsIfY6LzFoLM6AKanYDQAg"></a>. In all seriousness, since devolution in wales educational and NHS outcomes have worsened when compared to England (to quote David Phillips of the IFS, Average hospital stays are 40% longer in Wales than England &amp; International PISA educational attainment scores have dropped). Evidence based policymakers would likely reverse the fragmentation of the NHS within the UK that has already been proven to negatively impact patients. What do these politicians want devolved, and why, and how will it benefit their constituents?

Will It Make England Stronger Or Weaker?
<br>Stronger. Immediately &amp; considerably, both in terms of it&#39;s economy as well as it&#39;s political standing in the world. Let&#39;s consider the economics first where the dividend of the new division would be the most considerable.
<br>With all three laggards (according to Westminster) in tax receipts, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland turned sovereign, the budgetary expense head in the England accounts would suddenly be less by a little over 3 %. That&#39;s an enormous immediate boon of more than £30 Billion for the Chancellor if he budgets for England this year within £1 Trillion.
<br>Considerably more than £60 Billion if he presents an England Budget of £2 Trillion. And, then, so on and so forth. And if Count Dracula at Number 11 can, somehow, manouvre to (unfairly) saddle Scotland with some additional costs (for example at Hull) of his current Defence increases, say with a transfer clause in the final Secession document, you can expect that bonanza to be way greater.
<br>It would be debilitating for Scotland and would probably poisen the chalice for future relations of the two nations right from the start but why should he care?
<br>Scotland, however, stands to gain far more, perhaps immeaurably more, such and so much more from Secessation that it is almost impossible to calculate at this point due to lack of available data. That would be because of ...you guessed it ...The North Sea.
<br>That, however, is conditional to Holyrood NOT shooting itself in the head due to some ideological fixation with creating a Zero Carbon economy at-the-most-within &amp; not-a-day beyond 2030.
<br>Scotland can be the &#39;Other Norway&#39; of Europe, and may be even more prosperous, can actually be even pivotal for the Energy market of the continent, if it can avoid the Green Madness that has afflicted British leaders for the past 20 years.
<br>If Scots are able to tap the North Sea potential, our standalone Kingdom Of England, by the way, would be importing it&#39;s entire energy quotient every year at virtually Zero Carbon and Zero import costs. Not a bad bargain.
<br>The economic benefits for Northern Ireland and Wales are just as enormous; consider for instance the totally free flow of goods &amp; services thru a newly reunited Ireland from North to down South in (presumably) a Schengen-like trade corridor.
<br>If Scotland strikes it rich, Northern Ireland may be a conduit of more than &#39;mere&#39; goods &amp; services between the two former British Colonies.
<br>It seems logical that this &#39;New Schengen&#39; of four separated British states, would increase their respective trade within but especially so in case of each with the present day Irish Republic. That means the old ports on outer coastline of Wales as well as Liverpool and Bristol on the western English coast would probably be reactivated.
<br>The greatest economic dividend for Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales, though, would come in the form of manic new investments from their diaspora in United States, Canada &amp; AuZealia.
<br>In my view, nothing in their previous history would ever be matched with this super bonanza created by freedom. A rekindled interest of the native sons abroad in their restored identity and freed homeland would also create a tourism boom.
<br>Politically, reunion of Ireland, would be fulfillment of every Irish man, woman and child&#39;s dreams, as would be the freedom of Scotland for every Braveheart. Wales would relearn Welsh language, rekindle it&#39;s culture and be richer doing it.
<br>And England?
<br>We will be honourable, truly honourable for the first time since we lost the Empire and stood for nothing in the world, except being the lame war mule of the New Empire. Having freed ourselves of the expense of trying to develop three burdensome regions of miniscule populations, and failing, we will grow faster because of superior population numbers.
<br>With a better investment to populated area ratio, and greater revenue reciepts every year, we stand a better chance of developing the current wastelands of Northern, Eastern and Western England.
<br>Our access to Common European Market would be virtually assured, on our terms, by the single generous act of reuniting the two Irelands. And in the European Union, we would sit across the table to Germany &amp; France as a counterweight and a natural leader of the four English-speaking Anglosaxon nations of Europe.
<br>What can be more honourable than that?
<br>The alterative is to keep oppressing these three hapless nations as our colonised regions and keep acting upon conspiratorial mechinations of the old, haggard ghosts of the British establishment which keep pooping dreams of the restoration of their Empire in their diapers every night.

WHAT IDIOT IS SUGGESTING WE HAVE 4 TINY COUNTRIES UNABLE TO AFFORD OUR OWN DEFENCE SYSTEMS INSTEAD OF A UNITED KINGDOM, THIS IS A DISGRACE🤨. I AM SCOTTISH MARRIED TO A LONDONER, WE HAVE FAMILY AND FRIENDS SCATTERED ACROSS THIS ISLAND FROM COAST TO COAST, WE BELIEVE IN THE “UNITED KINGDOMS”, AND WANT TO STAY THAT WAY. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT WANT DEVISION? THEY ARE RACISTS AND WAR MONGERS WE DON’T WANT FARAGE AND HIS MINIONS IN OUR WORLD

Hope they will be paying their share of national debt, and setting up their own medical care and other public services then. <br><br>Absolutely absurd that with the world the way it is our island is tearing itself apart, more than ever we need unity between our nations and now we will be divided. If we weren’t pathetic enough already this will certainly be the last straw

I love how they talking about joining the EU.😅<br>Sure it only takes an email and Spain would 100% support countries to leave a union and join to the EU. Also instead of London the decision-making your life would be done in Brussels. People who is not even care as as the English. about your tiny countries. Sure, do it.

Its time to have self determination in all 4 nations; not hidden rule by a covert cabal in westminster with puppet parliaments, but real constitutional change so that elected members make the laws in each country and not this perverted system of being ruled from abroad whilst england itself is ruled from a hidden religious monarchy privy council that chooses to drag the country in to world war rather than let people choose a new positive future.

Fantastic 👏👏👏The colonial era of England is perhaps coming to an end? Well probably not but this should mean change in how the already broken union can function into the future. But how would a break up UK affect different separationist movements in Europe? Belgium, Spain and yes Germany.

The English have never been asked, as a nation, about devolution, never mind independence.<br>The English would have voted to leave the UK in 2014 just to get England expelled from the EU with no exit bill to pay and no Irish border to be blackmailed over. Everybody would have been happy except the EU that would have lost all that English cash. Let&#39;s remember how Scotland was blackmailed with being kicked out of the EU if it had voted to leave the UK. That threat would have been music to English ears.<br>We would have voted to leave the UK in 2016, for the same reason.<br>As it was though, England voted 57% for Brexit outside of foreigner-filledLondon.<br>The English are the only ones who want real independence, not the plastic pro-EU independence favoured by Irish, Scottish and Welsh nationalists.<br>Give the English a vote on England leaving the UK and nobody else would have to because England would be free of them.

As a Proud Welsh Man i want Wales to stay in the UK Wales have not got any industry no Steel one steel Factory Left that will not Be enough &amp; no Coal Nothing With out any Money From London We will Sink in to History we will have no Defence we go in to the Euro. There is not one Brain Sell in the Welsh Government They do This They Will Murder WALES if it Comes to The Vote am Voting For GREAT BRITAIN ,

During the Scottish Independence referendum, the EU put their thumb on the scales by telling Scotland that leaving the UK meant they would be out of the EU. Of course they did that, because they didn&#39;t think that the UK would be dumb enough to vote for Brexit. Now that particular ship has sailed, I suspect the numbers in Scotland are rather different.

A Welsh, Scottish and Southern Ireland Celtic Alliance would be a substantial block. And rejoining the EU would make these nations part of an even bigger alliance. I&#39;m for it. I think the Welsh and Scottish have just about had enough of English inequalities and arrogance.

At this point let them go and see how long they actually last. Just cut them off and let them fund themselves.<br><br>Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland are all net recipients and have a large deficit which is funded by the rest of the UK’s general taxation. I bet that they want the independence but still want money from Westminster if they get it.

If they want to devolve and leave I think the majority of English citizens would support them.<br><br>They clearly need to have sustainable financial, social, legal and public infrastructure that can stand up on their own and any subsidies from English taxpayers would need to stop.<br><br>Equally if they think they could set up sovereign countries and tempt employers and investment by undercutting English taxes whilst allowing companies to exploit English markets - English citizens couldn’t allow that so we would need to counter that will trade and regulatory policies.<br><br>Never going to happen but good bit of pointless political theatre that detracts from real, meaningful public policy issues.<br>Well done to the tinpot politicians in Wales, Scotland and NI

Why would Ireland want unification. <br><br>Northern Ireland isn’t the industrial heart of the island anymore - fact is there is hardly any industry of scale in the province. The largest employer is the the state on UK wage scales and benefits that would cause an economic disparity between the Republic and higher paid northern counterparts used to taking early retirement at 55 on ridiculously expensive state pensions.<br><br>Northern Ireland population is addicted to U.K. welfare benefits and triple lock pensions that are completely unaffordable for the Republic<br><br>Northern Ireland’s NHS system and higher education would also drain finances given the propensity of Northerners to study on the mainland.<br><br>Unification maybe politically possible but economically it would require cuts to the north to equalise to the south